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Sep 1, 2006 – Day 4 – Summary of Motions – Information Technology Committee – Closing Report

Posted on September 1, 2006November 27, 2022 by caws.archivist

CLOSING REPORT

C.A. WORLD SERVICE CONFERENCE 2006

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (IT) REPORT

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INTRODUCTION AND OPENING COMMENTS

Opening Comments

This year, working under our new name, IT, information technology, we addressed the broad scope of referrals coming from the fellowship.

Much thought and discussion was done over topics like disclaimers, logo usage, electronic formats, and the interest of many, audio on-line. We also cut our budget by 50%.

This committee had three new members:

Robert Poulsen – Northern Alberta Alternate Delegate

Ed Majors – CALA Alternate Delegate

Karen Rupp – CA Online Service Area – Alternate Delegate from Amsterdam, Holland

Our returning members are:

Sandy Paschall – Illinois Area Delegate

Leon Mason – CALA Member

Terry Marsden – Utah Area Delegate

Mark Tomkinson – Northern California

Tony Drake – Trustee

Richard Schafer – Colorado Area Delegate

REFERRALS THAT RESULTED IN MOTIONS

#4949 – Add disclaimer to IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines regarding the use of hotel names, events and host city information

Motion to add the following disclaimer to our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines under Appendix II. World Service Office Policies for posting World Service Convention Information on the WSO web site.

The following is to be used with CAWS conventions and related internet links:

Disclaimer: Certain information listed herein about the CAWS Convention, the Convention Hotel, Convention activities, off-site events, and even the host city is included for informational purposes only; so that those attending the Convention looking for something to do during Convention week might have that information. The listing of such information here does not, nor should it imply affiliation, cooperation or endorsement of

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such venues, hotels, activities or events by C.A. or by C.A World Services. If you have further questions or concerns on this matter, please contact the CAWS Convention Chair.

Second

Motion Passes unanimously

Motion to add the following to our IT Committee Workbook and guidelines under Appendix I: World Service Office policies for posting area conventions and area events on the WSO web site as written below:

Disclaimer: Certain information listed herein about the local Convention, the Convention Hotel location, Convention or activities, and even the host city is included for informational purposes only; so that those attending the Convention looking for something to do during Convention or might have that information. The listing of such information here does not, nor should it imply affiliation, cooperation or endorsement of such venues, hotels, activities or events by CA or by CA World Services. If you have further questions or concerns on this matter, please contact the Convention Chair.

Disclaimer: Certain information listed herein about the local event, the event location, event activities, and even the host city is included for informational purposes only; so that those attending the event looking for something to do during the event might have that information. The listing of such information here does not, nor should it imply affiliation, cooperation or endorsement of such venues, hotels, or activities by CA or by CA World Services. If you have further questions or concerns on this matter, please contact the Event Chair.

Second

Greg Barron

POI , in line 3 and 4 is that a housekeeping ?

Karen Rupp – We will take care of that

Jessie Little- POI is this the disclaimer I will have to put on my website for events?

Susan Bureda – FA Regarding Line 2 about local events. That that line be struck from the second disclaimer

Accepted

Motion Passes unanimously

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#4950 – Real-time on-line chat meetings

Motion to add bullet point for chat rooms in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines under things to be avoided.

Second –

Karen Rupp-After many years of discussing the feasibility of chat rooms, this committee has decided that they would not serve the best interest of Cocaine Anonymous. We have not found any way of creating a chat room while being in compliance of the 12 Traditions.

Motion passes unanimously

#4951 – Disclaimer for area and local websites

Motion to add a bullet point in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines under things to be avoided, the proper names of locations, and it is recommended that the generic name of a location be used such as restaurant, church, hospital, etc…

Second

Susan Bureda – I speak against this motion. Some times the proper name of a location is the only way to find location.

Tad Smith – POI , Do I have to edit the hotel names in the future?

Leon Mason, we have the disclaimers , this is just a suggestion under things to be avoided. This is about other events. If you can avoid the proper name if you can avoid it. It is still just a suggestion.

Bryan Bell- POI ,is this suggestion also apply to our local meeting directory.

Richard S – That would be outside the scope of this committee

Jessie Little- POI Does that mean I have to list this on all my pages of the area website?

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Tony Drake- That is not this motion

Jackie Schickler- Speak against this motion. I needed to get as much direction as possible. Anything that would help me get to a meeting

Matt Tepoortan- Speak against the motion

Scott Keaveny- Speak in favor of the motion.

Michael Chiki- I speak against this motion. We have fund raising and I feel we need to be able to add locations and names.

Deirdre McKinney – POI are you talking about the disclaimer you just passed.

Tony Drake- We will get to that in a minute

Tony Drake- We are not saying DON’T do it.. we are just suggesting avoid it if possible. That has to come from your area group Conscience

Willie Bailey – Motion to Close debate

Second

Motion passes

Motion to add bullet point in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines under things to be avoided, the proper names of locations, and it is recommended that the generic name of a location be used such as restaurant, church, hospital, etc…

Motion passes

Call for division of the vote.

61 for 48 against

It is now 6.03 pm

Break for dinner.

Announcements

The 2010 World Service Convention will be held in, Wisconsin.

****** dinner break****

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Resumed at 7:42 pm.

Motion to add disclaimer in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines to requirements for CA district/area websites.

Disclaimer:

Some of the items contained in these pages are published with permission of CA World Services, Inc.; this does not imply endorsement of the web site by the CA World Service Conference or the CA World Service Office. The information provided within this site is intended to be a convenience for those who visit our site. Such inclusion does not constitute or imply any endorsement, by or affiliation with, the _________Area or the Districts within the Area.

Second.

Greg Baron – speaks against the motion. Getting a lot of disclaimers here. On serious note, this particular one seems may have unintended consequence. We need to adhere to guidelines to remain linked to World. Any other site not following guidelines that doesn’t use disclaimer, up and out there, just not linked to World. If IT looks at our website and we are following the guidelines, then we are OK.

Susan Bredau – speaks against the motion. Web sites are to serve the addict that still suffers. If they read it at all, and they read that an area wasn’t affiliated with CA, then they would really have to think twice about attending.

Jay Finesilver – speaking for the motion. Came about as a referral that came to Colorado area. Wasn’t necessarily about excluding but including. About some principles, affiliation, trademark protection and non-endorsement of local areas content. More about protecting the Mother Ship. Protecting CA World Services from what a local area would do. Websites not linked that have our trademark, we ask them to cease and desist.

Chair – any further debate.

Jesse Little – speaks against the motion. Already have disclaimers on front page of every website. Cannot agree.

Rick Delgado – speaks against the motion. To have an area website to have link is already being scrutinized by Trustee, IT committee, etc. It’s confusing to newcomer that goes to area website seeming to separate from World.

Cynthia Cronkhite – speaks in favor. Came from WBOT. Has seen local meeting directories that have a similar disclaimer. There is no 24/7 monitoring. While best intentions might be in mind by those handling website, this is a catch all because we can’t monitor 100% of time.

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Greg Baron – Understands concerns of those speaking against, a little bit of trust is warranted. The websites are looked at before linking and periodically by many. Seems that the websites that we are worried about are the ones that wouldn’t put the disclaimer up anyway. Don’t want newcomer to go away thinking the website is not affiliated with World. Not worth it for confusion.

Chair – any further debate

Nick Alexander – POINT OF INFORMATION – would this be the same as the last 2 disclaimers in the previous motion. If this isn’t on area’s website, would it be taken off?

Tony Drake – That’s correct.

Tad Smith – Are we going to have some claimers that state these websites approved?

Richard Schafer – no we will not.

Susan Bredau – Motion to table.

Second.

Tony Drake – Point of Order – motion to table is out of order unless there is another piece of pressing business to take care of.

Barry Haynes – Point of Order – was that motion seconded.

Chair – working on the first point of order.

Chair – thank you for your patience. The motion to table is not in order at this time. Out of order to lay a motion on the table if there is no pressing business and to just postpone the question indefinitely.

Chair – is there further debate?

Nicholas Lynn – Point of Information – where are these disclaimer located? On the first page? Are they threatening?

Richard Schafer – 8 pt font, legible, at the bottom on the page. Not distracting.

 

Yvette Holman – Motion to call for question.

Second.

Chair – not debatable. 2/3 majority

Motion passes.

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Motion to add disclaimer in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines to requirements for CA district/area websites.

Disclaimer:

Some of the items contained in these pages are published with permission of CA World Services, Inc.; this does not imply endorsement of the web site by the CA World Service Conference or the CA World Service Office. The information provided within this site is intended to be a convenience for those who visit our site. Such inclusion does not constitute or imply any endorsement, by or affiliation with, the _________Area or the Districts within the Area.

Motion carries.

Teresa Adams – 5th Concept Statement – against the motion because it’s not this body’s decision whether area/district should associate itself with a website. An Area/district should decide themselves.

Chair – thank you.

#4965 – adding streaming speaker tapes to ca.org

Motion to add bullet point in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines to things to be avoided, Non-conference approved audio/video files.

Second.

Greg Baron – speaking against this motion. I wrote this referral. I spoke of website adding streaming CA speaker audio so people could listen at any time, can’t get to a meeting, etc., they could listen. San Diego put some up before there were no guidelines and I thought about it and wrote the initial referral asking the committee to develop some guidelines. They came back with a set of suggestions and procedure set up for audio to go up, it needs to have speaker sign release, voted on at the area level, and then it must go to WBOT for approval. Pretty good checks and balances. Was looking for some for these tapes to be made available on the World website. No problems when we had it up. Got a lot of positive feedback and got a lot of new people in the meetings after hearing them. World website great place to do this. Came back with our body to approve something here before an Area can put something up. Hard to get things approved here and we are missing a good chance to reach newcomer.

Tony Drake – love Greg’s idea. Speak in favor of the motion. Love speaker tapes. If you have ever been on a speaker committee for a convention, it’s tough. Getting everyone in area to approve. It’s tough. Swearing in just one of the issues. Opinions vary much about the message and how it’s presented. Look at literature approval. Not a good logistical way to do this. Conference approved part because the conference has already approved some video that can be added now and we can use it.

Tad Smith – speak in favor motion even he agrees with the spirit of the motion .

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Bryan Bell – speak in favor of motion. Like to listen to lots of speaker tapes. They are very valuable to recovery. I want CA Conference approved literature only to go on CA websites. Don’t want different messages coming out that hasn’t been checked out by our Trustees and conference. Don’t want people turned away.

Nick Alexander – Point of Information – is the HFC book on CD?

John Bodkin – yes, HFC is available in analog and digital formats. We sell at WSO and we like doing that. Thanks.

Chair – any further debate. Prepare yourself to vote.

Motion carries.

Motion to add bullet point in our IT Committee Workbook and Guidelines to things to be avoided, Non-conference approved audio/video files.

Second.

Motion carries with substantial unanimity.

REFERRALS OR ITEMS TABLED UNTIL NEXT YEAR; AND ITEMS THE COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON THROUGH THE YEAR

#4860 – Develop a basic web page template

Discussion resulted in this committee taking the following action. We will develop and evaluate a web page template that can be distributed to the fellowship upon request

#4914 – Create a PI email group

The IT committee has been working on this throughout the year. It will be in testing phase some time this year and will hopefully be available in 2007.

Gerard Collard Parliamentary Inquiry – thought we didn’t read the remainder of the report into the microphone.

Chair – you are correct. Group conscience to not read motion not needing passing on the floor.

REFERRALS OR ITEMS REFERRED TO OTHER COMMITTEES; WORLD SERVICE OFFICE, OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES

#4864 – Add CA logo in vector art and jpg on www.ca.org

This referral relates to the CA World Service Office and Ca.org, so it has been referred to them, with the inclusion of our assistance, getting the requested art work made available.

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REFERRALS THAT DID NOT RESULT IN MOTIONS

#4887 – Request for approval to add MP3/CD “shares” on ca-online.org for sale as fundraising.

It is the opinion of this committee that any CA website that offers tapes/cds/speakers for sale should not be linked to CA.org. We believe there are other opportunities for fundraising that can be explored and utilized. We also feel the process of evaluating for endorsement what constitutes a CA speaker is more than any one or two present committees can do.

NEW COMMITTEE STRUCTURE AS OF THIS CONFERENCE

Chair – Richard Schafer

Vice-Chair – Karen Rupp

Secretary – Sandy Paschall

CLOSING COMMENTS

In closing, this committee’s interest in supporting the fellowship has already expanded this year with requests from the Conference committee, the PI committee and the World Service Office. We look forward to our work throughout the year. We’ll see you all on-line…check your email.

Respectfully Submitted,

Richard Shafer

Vinny Martin – has a question. There are 3 or 4 word referrals. Why don’t you write out the referrals as they were given to you.

Sandy Pascall – some of the referrals we received were 4 or 5 pages long. Took last year’s reports and used it as a guide. I have the referrals and can provide them to you if you want to read.

Vinny Martin – can we get them written out next year? I was kind of lost and seemed vague. I would like to see before I vote.

Sandy Pascall – Sure.

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