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Aug 30, 2003 – Day 4 – Daily Summary – S&B Committee Closing Report (Part 2)

Posted on August 30, 2003November 27, 2022 by caws.archivist

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Session Called to order at 8:40am

Serenity Prayer

Chair announcements

Roll Call

138 votes

Quorum count 92

Announcements from the floor


S&B REPORT CONTINUES

9.Referral #3634: Add to manual: WSOB ratify WS Office candidates before submitting slate to the WSBT.

Motion: On page 4.5 of the WSM, World Service Office Trustee #2. Change as follows: “Candidates are nominated for WSOB Trustee and a minimum of two candidates shall be elected by majority vote of the WSOB. The candidates are then submitted to the Trustee Election Committee. If two candidates are not elected, the WSOB has failed to select a slate.”

Second
Motion passes with substantial unanimity
Steve Edwards speaks for the motion. Point of Information

Chair – Out of order.

  1. Referral #3677: Add #13 to page 1.10 of the WSM to read: “An annual or bi-annual audit of all financial records should be conducted by the group, district and area to insure accuracy of reports and accountability of the treasurer. The auditors should include the group secretary or district or area chair, secretary and vice-chair, as applicable.

Motion: On page 1.10 of the WSM, add Item #13 to state: “It is recommended that each level of service set up auditing and accounting procedures with appropriate checks and balances.”

Second

Motion passes unanimously

  1. Referral 2698: How we define regular and H&I meetings count and that this be a standardized counting procedure. When the meeting counts are given in convention and new Area requests, are they weekly, monthly totals?

Motion: Add to WSM page 2.12 in paragraph 1, 3rd sentence to read as follows:

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If an Area has more than 75 meetings per week of its groups (excluding H&I), then that Area will be entitled to one additional vote for every fifty (50) meetings per week of its groups (or a portion thereof).
SECOND
Harrison Jenkins speaks against the motion.

Chair – The motion states excluding H&I.

Skip – Point of Information.

Leon Mason – Point of Information.

Even Anderson – Speaks in favor of the motion.

Parliamentary Inquiry – Paulette Furoy

About the motion to make it effective immediately.

Chair. All other motions are effective at the end of the conference unless specified.

Scott Botz – Speaks in favor of the motion.

Steve Edwards – Call for the question.

Second

Motion to close debate.
Passes
Motion passes with substantial unanimity.

5th concept statement. John Whitaker

Concerned that there are some H&I panels that are meetings and may not be counted.

5th concept statement. Stacy Keyes

Concerned that the motion does not speak to the referral.

Point of information –

Chair – Out of order

Motion: Add to the first sentence on 2.1 of the WSM so it reads as follows:

A meeting is when two or more people gather together to share their experience, strength and hope with each other; is open to outside participation, and observes the 7th Tradition.

Second

Maker speaks to the motion.

Kay Thomas – point of information

Says, “Is open to outside participation”. How would this decision affect a closed meeting?

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Maker – a closed meeting is still open to outside participation. Difference is not distinguished.

Even Anderson. Friendly Amendment –

Between other and is replace the semi colon with a comma

Accepted

Ronald Antwine – Friendly Amendment –

Where it says a meeting is where 2 or more are gathered could we include

And where it says outside participation, could we add within the confines of CA?

Not accepted

Mark Keaser – speaks against the motion.

Paulette Furoy – Motion to refer to committee.
Chair – It is in order.
Second
Paulette speaks to her motion.

Bryan Seid speaks against the motion to refer to committee.

Leon Mason – speaks for the motion to send back to committee. There needs to be clarification.

Scott Botz – speaks against the motion to refer.

Steve Edwards – speaks against the motion to refer to committee. It is pre-mature. Gillian – call for the question
Second
Motion to call for the question Passes

Motion to refer to committee passes 65-46
Parliamentary inquiry. Tony Drake – is a motion to amend a previously passed motion allowed?

Chair –It is not in order during committee reports.

Tony Drake – Motion – to suspend the rules to consider a motion to amend a previously passed motion.

Second

Motion to suspend the rules passes 52-51

Tony Drake – motion – to amend first motion to add the word “closed” between excluding and H&I and add “panels” after H&I.

Second

Point of order – Howard Johnson –

Chair – That is debate.

Discussion

Tony Drake speaks for the motion

Freeman Houston speaks against the motion.

Scott Botz speaks against the motion. People know the difference between a meeting and an H&I meeting.

Skip – speaks against the motion. A panel describes a format of a meeting.

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Diane Wabitsch – speaks against the motion. H&I meetings do not observe the 7th tradition.

Barry Haynes – Passes.

John Cook – Calls for the question

Second

Motion to close debate passes.

Motion fails with substantial unanimity.

A. Referral # 3416, 3165:

#3416

In the spirit of unanimity & for the benefit of CA as a whole, when a new area of CA is created, I would like CA to create a new standing rule or, to change “THE CREATION OF A NEW AREA” from a main motion to a motion that will require a 2/3rds vote.

#3165

That new area petitions must pass with a 2/3rds majority, in the spirit of substantial unanimity.

Motion: Amend the 2nd paragraph of the WSM 2.6, as follows:

As new Areas are created or if an established area changes its boundary definition, a “Petition to Become an Area” form must be submitted, and the creation or change must be recognized by the WSC, and pass by a 2/3 vote. Any group or District seeking to change Areas must complete a “Petition for a District or Group to Change Areas” form, and the change must be recognized by the WSC, and pass by a 2/3 vote.

Second

Discussion

Kevin Murphy speaks in favor of the motion.

Shane M. Speaks against the motion.

Does not feel it should be this floors decision by a 2/3rds decision.

Terry Marsden. Speaks against the motion. Does not want to see it controlled by the floor

Matthew Reilly speaks against the motion. Not ok with a 2/3rds votes.

Ivan Libson. Speaks against the motion.

Where is the spiritual aim?

Mark Pettit. Call for the question.

Second.

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Motion to close debate passes .

Motion fails

Steve Edwards – 5th concept statement.

Votes need substantial unanimity.

John Whitaker – 5th concept statement.

Just what my sponsor said.

Steve M. – 5th concept statement.

I want to be sure that I am hearing the CA message.

Kandy Hall

Motion to rescind the previous motion.

Chair – Which way did you vote.

Kandy – I voted for the motion.

Chair. – You did vote with the prevailing side and it is in order.

Kandy – motion restated

Second

Point of order – Kevin M.

We are making a motion to rescind a failed motion.

Chair – Well taken. Action cannot be rescinded when something is impossible to undo. We can bring back that motion some other time in the proceedings.

Point of information – Is a motion to reconsider out of order ?

Chair – No.

Point of order –

Spencer Barton. If people don’t know what to do the chair should explain or they should sit down.

Chair. Ok. A member that voted with the prevailing side may make a motion to reconsider. In this case the person voted against the motion and it will require a majority to pass.

Judy Wiesman – Motion to reconsider the previously defeated motion.

Second

Chair – Second Voted with the prevailing side?

No.

Motion fails for lack of a second

Motion to remove from the table previously tabled S&B motion #3.

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Second

Motion to remove from the table passes.

Referral 3509, 3661, & 3662: Strike the first sentence of Standing Rule 5c on page 3.6 of the WSM. The point of the rule is to allow tiny areas a voice, not to maximize votes for Areas not sending a full delegation.

Motion: Change Standing Rule 5c page 3.6 of the WSM and renumber as follows:

  1. A Delegate may proxy one vote to another Conference Delegate representing the same Region Area.
  2. An Area that is not otherwise represented at the Conference may proxy a maximum of one vote to a Conference Delegate from another Area within the same Region.
  3. No Delegate can carry more than a total of two votes at the Conference.

 Second

Howard Johnson speaks for the motion

Tammy McGahee speaks against the motion as written. Areas should not be penalized for not being able to get their voices here.

Billy Humphries – parliamentary inquiry can they read the 3 referrals into the record.

Chair – They could, but they haven’t. It does not taint the motion.

Billy Humphries speaks strongly against the motion. This means that North Carolina would have one vote taken away. Please consider the smaller areas

Paulette Furoy – Speaks against the motion. Think about this internationally. Smaller areas can’t afford to come. The American dollar is unequal to the foreign dollar.

Evan Anderson – Speaks in favor of the motion. The motion does not deny participation. It stops an area from sending one person with 3 votes. How can one person with 3 votes effectively support your group conscious?

Skip – call for the vote.

Second

Motion to close debate passes .

Requires a 2/3rds vote.

Motion fails

Kevin Murphy – 5th concept statement

Votes are not why we are here. The voice is more important than the vote.

Rick Hoffman – 5th concept statement. Feels we are in violation of the concepts of service.

Jackie – 5th concept statement.

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Chair. There are other methods of communication please take advantage

REFERRALS OR ITEMS TABLED UNTIL NEXT YEAR; AND ITEMS THE COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON THROUGH THE YEAR:

  1. Referral #3633: “Expressly limit Area use of CA Trade marks, exclude licensing of merchandise for sale by third party.”
  2. Referral # 3645: To remove on 2.12 WSM number 1 (portion thereof) To read: If an area has more than 75 meetings of its groups, then that area will be entitled to one additional vote for every fifty (50) meetings of its groups.

The statement “or portion thereof” is too vague, and lends itself to arbitrary interpretation.

Remove “(portion thereof)” from 2.12 number 1

  1. Referral # 3510: Add to the end of P2 on 2.6: No area may be subdivided into new areas within 4 years of the original creation.

REFERRALS OR ITEMS REFERRED TO OTHER COMMITTEES; WORLD SERVICE OFFICE, OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES:

  1. Referral #3583: Is there anything wrong or a violation of any tradition, by-laws, concepts or charter to sell water as a fund-raiser or to sell past memorabilia as a fund-raiser to raise funds for upcoming events?

Action: This item has been referred to the trustees.

  1. Referral #2857: We request that the WSO research the origin if the   “CA Fact File” We believe that it is or should be the work of the PI committee as stated in the PI Manual page III Where it states “ The sixth Chapter…updated often” I believe may have or was created from P.I. We would be happy to make sure that it is updated on a bi-annual basis and would replace the “Fact Sheet” with a fact file or similar

Action: This item has been referred to the W.S.O.

  1. Referral # 3226: The chairman of the World Service Convention must have chaired a Cocaine Anonymous convention

Action: This item has been referred to the Convention committee

  1. Referral # 3629

By changing the last paragraph of the WSM 6.6 2002 edition, adding a new paragraph to the top of 6.7 there is a duplicate statement about a Trustee dying, resigning or being removed. One of the statements should be revised or removed.

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A change should also be made in the first paragraph on 6.7 Designating specific dates as when ratification should take place. The current way it is worded gives a specific 2/3 majority group to much power,

Action: Suggestion to WSBT, is to remove the first sentence of the last paragraph on 6.6 of the WSM

Move the first paragraph of 6.7 before the last sentence of 6.6 with changes as noted.

All Director Trustees shall be notified prior to ratification. Ratification to be done by secret ballot no less than once per year at a quarterly meeting of the WSBT. Such a ratification vote can be called at any of the WSBT quarterly meetings by a simple majority vote. Trustee ratification requires a 2/3 majority vote by the WSBT. If a trustee is not ratified the WSBT shall ask for the trustee’s immediate resignation. If the trustee is not ratified and does not resign upon request the WSBT shall immediate vote by secret ballot to remove the said trustee. Trustee removal requires a 2/3 majority vote by the WSBT. In the event that any trustee shall resign, die or be removed, the Trustee Election Committee shall elect a new trustee at the regular trustee elections at the WS conference.

  1. Referral #2683: “We would request the committee to add to the referral number on all conference-related paperwork and reports etc the date and time it was first presented to the conference. We would suggest using the method described as example:

xxxx-02-A                                   xxxx=Reference number

xxxx-02-B                                   02=the year

A= When received

A-After conference

B-At conference

Action: This item has been referred to the Conference Committee

REFERRALS THAT DID NOT RESULT IN MOTIONS:

  1. Referral # 3158: “To add to page 3.8 Conference chairperson Qualification that it is a 2 year term”

Action: The maker withdrew this motion and she realizes the paragraph above states it is a 2-year term.

  1. Referral #3159: Change the WSM Section 5.3 last paragraph as follows: The CAWSO Board has authority during the CAWS Fiscal year to authorize spending relative to a specific Standing committee’s line item, money, greater than authorized in the conference approved budget, within that standing committee’s budget only, so long as:……a) no changes and b) no changes

Action: Withdrawn by maker.

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  1. Referral #3582: This issue is asked to be addressed at World Service Conference. Any person that has effected CA as a whole being able to still serve as Delegate and also handle money. This person should not be able to serve on any committee until money is paid in full, misplaced or stolen money. Especially when some of those people are serving as Delegate, etc. and are receiving per diem, hotel room from CA to serve or fellowship. As a member of CA this bothers this member.

Action: No action taken as we feel this issue needs to be dealt with at the district, or area level. If necessary the Regional Trustee can be consulted.

  1. Referral # 2819: I’d like to as part of long term planning the conference reevaluate how we get the boundaries for areas as it is now we have bordering cities in other states that are closer often times to our area or districts and actually participate with us. For example: Area KC and St. Louis both on state lines such as Illinois Kansas.

Action: No action taken, it is beyond the scope of this committee to determine preferential area/locations for where meetings will start. Page 2.6 of the WSM defines the process for petitioning to change the Area boundaries.

  1. Referral #3605: Each conference committee chair will submit a monthly report to their respective trustee. This report will then be forwarded to the WSO within 30 days. Upon request it will be made available via the internet or in written form to each conference delegate. Copies of these reports will be sent out to all delegates in their regular mailing.

Action: No action taken. It is up to each committee and their respective trustee to set their own guidelines in respect to their reporting procedures.

  1. Referral #3683: This referral is in regard to CA group meeting attendance requirements for Area and World Service level trusted servants.

Action: No action taken. Each group, district, and area should determine the qualifications for its service structure and we feel this issue is already covered by the 4th Tradition and 9th Concept.

  1. Referral #3224: Add verbiage to: WSM p. 2.15, under election of trustee candidates by regional assembly, before 2nd paragraph/sentence. “For purpose of international outreach with the trustee at large position(s) and duties consideration should be taken for candidates for trustee slate persons with multi-lingual skills.”

Action: No action taken. The WSBT is aware of their needs and the qualifications needed on the board and we have entrusted the WSBT and the TEC to select the best candidates with the needed qualifications.

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  1. Referral #3666: Please construct and devise a universal and comprehensive procedure to remove a member holding any position on a conference standing committee.

Action: No action taken. Each committee is responsible for their own operating procedures and structure.

  1. Referral #3227: The following paragraph on page 2.14 be removed: “It is suggested that the regional service assembly, not to maintain bank accounts or corporate structure; nor should it sponsor social events. It is however, acceptable for one or more areas within a region to present social events.

Action: No action taken. As the paragraph states, it is only a suggestion.

  1. Referral #2853: Add to WSM 2.11 an item regarding delegates’ responsibilities to the WSC (3rd Concept). Please review this along with WSM 2.11 especially #5.

Action: No action taken. The delegates’ responsibilities are clearly outlined in all 13 points on pages 2.11.

  1. Referral 2707: On page 2.14, procedure for regional/removal of regional trustees.

Action: No action taken: While a regional trustee is originally selected by a Region and services his/her Region because they live in that Region, it must be remembered that as stated in the WSM page 4.2 – WSBT Service Structure “all Trustees serve the fellowship as a whole.” Therefore it is not the Region that takes action against a Trustee it must necessarily be the organization they service, i.e., CAWS.

  1. Referral 3646: In SR 22 – Conference Officers pg. 3.8 #c. Change first sentence: Insert after “full term” – “except for co-secretaries.” Insert immediately following a new sentence – “a replacement Conference co-secretary will only serve out the remainder of that co-secretary’s term.”

Action: No action taken. The existing language in the WSM deals with rotation/replacement adequately and is consistent with the all other WSC officers.

  1. Referrals 3127, 3287 & 3678: SR 14 Motions.

Action: No action taken. This Body has spoken; we respect the voice of the Conference.

  1. Referral 1697: Is the selling of water at a meeting allowed or is it a violation of our bylaws.

No questions for the committee

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