CA WORLD SERVICE BOARD OF TRUSTEES REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETING MINUTES
November 17-19,2006
Final Approved Minutes
(Approved by WSBT for distribution on March 2,2007)Since this report is a confidential CA document, for members only, it contains members’ full names. This usage to facilitate communication within the fellowship was approved by the 1990 WS Conference. Such confidential use does not, of course, violate in any way our Tradition on anonymity in public communications media (press, radio, TV, etc.).
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The regular quarterly meeting of the CA World Service Board of Trustees, at the Four Points Sheraton, Los Angeles, California, was called to order at 5:00 P.M. on Friday November 17th, 2006 with a moment of silence followed by the Serenity Prayer.
Roll Call:
| Lawrence M | Atlantic South Regional Trustee | |
| Bruce W. | Atlantic North Regional Trustee | |
| Nicholas L. | European Regional Trustee | |
| Tony D. | Mid West Regional Trustee | WSBT Chair |
| Trevor S. | Pacific North Regional Trustee | |
| Carl W. | Pacific South Regional Trustee | |
| Jay F. | South West Regional Trustee | WSBT Vice Chair |
| Bobbie H. | Trustee At Large | |
| Earl H. | World Service Office Trustee | |
| Hayward H. | World Service Trustee | WSBT Secretary |
Tradition Five discussion by Board Members:
Everything that is done at all levels of service is strictly about carrying the message. Some groups are getting away from this and turning efforts towards making money. It is always about helping and providing information to the new comers.
Concept Eleven discussion by Board Members:
A few of our agenda items tie right into this concept. One covers ethics, cross service commitments and the other one is about how we select members to service at the World Service level. These will always be matters for serious care and concern. At our caucus we discussed this Concept. For me it says that while we hold the Final Responsibility for the service administration, we should always have the best standing committees. This takes us back to Concept Nine in choosing the best members for the standing committees, not just our friends. This includes here at the World Service level too. We need to pay competitively to get the best employees not just a warm body. In reading this concept and understanding our system of rotation, along with our recent experiences here at the WSO it is clear to see how this concept works.
Review of Agenda:
Item number 2006.11,11 covers a recently received correspondence from Co-Anon.
Chair’s Opening remarks:
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Welcome to all new Trustee members, at this meeting Robert’s Rules of Order is used, questions are asked by the raising of hands, there is no cross talk, and please wait to be called on. We will review our Board-to-Board agenda here in just a minute.
Board-to-Board agenda review:
We will take this time to look over the agenda. The chair has additions under item number 4; where it was forgotten to include the “Vice Chair”, Generally this would not be a full board to board meeting, but since we have so many new members on both boards it was thought a good idea for both boards to meet. We would like to keep this meeting to two hours. John B. has sent a revised WSOB chair’s report to the WSBT through the WSOT who has post the report on the group’s file storage space. The WSBT chair has expressed concerns to the WSOB chair about the timeliness of forwarding reports. Time should not be wasted here reading reports because they were received late. It was noted in item 5b literature translations that there are a lot of things going on and wonders about lengthening the time period for discussion between both boards. The WSOB chair states that not a lot has been done towards this and other agenda items. The office is still recovering from the absence of the office manager. Concerns are noted but when will we move forward? The processes are only so good without a timeline. There are countries still doing their own translations out of their own monies. The areas will ask at the regional assembly what the WSOB board is considering like dates for completion and a timeline for the translations procedures. The European region knows we still don’t have a Spanish version of HFC for people here in this country. This was on the agenda at the last quarterly and moved to the International Structure and Development subcommittee (ISD). The ISD subcommittee could get on top of it and do something to get it moving.
We have the luxury of meeting with the WSOB early enough that we will have time afterwards to add items to our quarterly meeting agenda. The item of literature translations has been an agenda item of the WSOB since the conference. Some work has been done on this, but there is no specific timeline yet. These items listed under literature translations are just bullet points, but if you look at the WSOB meeting minutes there are specifics being discussed. It is appreciated that the WSOB chair has put this in his report and that he is a part of the unity international outreach committee, who is also pushing for this very same thing.
Review of the Minutes:
The WSBT has received an email from the former PNRT asking if the minutes were completed. The former PNRT and ANRT were looking forward to reviewing these minutes. Shortly after they received the minutes the SWRT voiced concerns that former Trustees should not and have never been able to review minutes prior to board approval in the past. They both made revisions to the August quarterly and board-to-board meeting minutes. The question is do we accept these revisions from them or not? The Board to Board will be a little more complicated since they have to be sent back to the WSO for approval with the new changes that were made, then sent back to the WSBT for final approval. This could delay the mailing. The WSBT secretary states that there are two separate sets of minutes. Questions: have we seen the minutes that were amended? No these minutes with the recent changes were just received from the former Trustees. Have we seen the Board to Board minutes that were revised? No those minutes with the corrections from the
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former Trustees have not been circulated yet. Question: Has this practice ever been followed after a quarterly in the past? We don’t specifically know, but two of our former secretaries both say no this has ever been done. There are no specific guidelines stating when Trustees roll off the board that they can review the minutes. There were concerns voiced that a wrong precedence may be set allowing former Trustee’s rolling off the board to have input in approving minutes. Question: Does the entire quarterly and board-to-board meetings get recorded? So that there is a record of who said what? Not necessarily. We have had many different types of transcribers/secretaries over the past years. Sometimes the gist of what is said might get lost or if we are talking about sensitive information it may not be fully disclosed. Question: If a former Trustee cannot vote here, do they have a say here? Yes, but they want to have a say in the minutes prior to them being approved. What about the phrase let go and let God? This is something we all are going to have to face at the end of our term as Trustees. So what needs to be considered is do we want more editing, less editing, or more that one person doing it? I am just trying to think where they are coming from. Year before last when a Trustee rolled out; there was a problem getting some committee guidelines signed off. How did we handle that issue? We emailed that former Trustee stating “We are going to take your non response as approval if we don’t get one from you by a certain date”. Question: When a Trustee rolls out does that person still need to sign off on the committee guidelines they served on? Is that what we said to that person? This was the transition around the world service manual. There was not an experienced Trustee for that committee during the time that the former Trustee served. If a Trustee rolls off one conference committee and decides to seat on another conference committee, does that Trustee still need to sign off on the guidelines of the first committee? Is that correct? Also final reports for committees need to be signed off on the committees they served on. They know what happened in the quarterly meeting. I think they should have a say here. Sometimes what is written down is not what you actually said. It is about us doing the right thing. I agree for this reason: The purpose of minutes is to show what went on at the meeting, what the Board decided to do on a variety of issues. They like other board members should have the opportunity to make sure the records axe accurate. I am going to be voting on these minutes and it occurs to me that I wasn’t even here for the meeting. It makes sense to have the people who participated in the discussion participating in the process to make sure the minutes are accurate. To me this centers on the right of participation. They should have the right to make comments on something that they said. Where I struggle is there were edits made beyond accuracy. There was general discussion that did not have anything to do with them. This is one of those areas I could argue either way. Is there a solution where whatever we decide sets precedence? I want the fellowship to get these minutes in the upcoming delegate mailing. If we want to learn from this then we need them done earlier so that the comments can be done by a certain date or not at all. When it comes to a Trustee that has rolled off a committee and that person was the one who sat in the committee they should be the one to sign off on that committee’s guidelines. They only sign off on that committee’s guidelines if there were revisions made, other than that they move around to another committee. If there were a motion on the table to wait for the edited minutes I would vote against it. Why? Because I don’t believe in doing for some and not for others, when I was the board secretary I was instructed to give the outgoing Trustees 7 days after their term ends then send them an email that their service to this board is completed. They were removed from the group after the 7 days, even though this was never even shared with them. I watched a full thirty something days that this past chair and vice chair continued to share in the online
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discussions of the group. The changes to the minutes are probably some formatting issues, why would we make them all wait over that?
Carl W.: I would like to make a motion out of order: That we allow the previous two Trustees to edit the minutes.
Tony D.: No second made motion fails.
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a blanket motion to approve the minutes for the August 2006 WSBT quarterly, WSBT/WSOB board to board and Oct 2006 Conference call) that are currently posted.
Carl W.: Second
- Minutes of August 2006 WSBT quarterly meeting
- Minutes of August 2006 WSBT/WSOB Board to Board meeting
- Minutes of October 2006 Conference Call Tony D.: Motion carries.
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve the Record of Online Business between September 2006 and October 2006.
Jay F.: Second
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve the officer reports.
Jay F.: Second
WSBT OFFICER REPORTS
1. WSBT officer reports (discussion on reports previously submitted for review):
- WSBT Chair (Tony)
- WSBT Vice-Chair (Jay)
- WSBT Secretary (Hayward)
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve the Trustee reports.
Jay F.: Second
TRUSTEE REPORTS
- Trustee reports (discussion on reports previously submitted for review):
- Atlantic North Regional Trustee (Bruce)
- Atlantic South Regional Trustee (Lawrence)
- European Regional Trustee (Nicholas)
- Midwest Regional Trustee (Tony)
- Pacific North Regional Trustee (Trevor)
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- Pacific South Regional Trustee (Carl)
- Southwest Regional Trustee (Jay)
- Trustee at Large (Bobbie)
- World Service Office Trustee (Earl)
- World Service Trustee (Hayward)
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Bobbie: I would like to make a motion to approve the WSBT subcommittee reports.
Jay F.: Second
TRUSTEE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
- WSBT Subcommittee reports – lead member listed first and BOLD (discussion on reports previously submitted for review):
- Conference (Carl, Tony, Trevor, Hayward, Jay)
- Finance (Earl, Jay, Nicholas)
- International Structure & Development (Bobbie, Carl, Hayward, Jay)
- Legal (Bruce, Jay, Nicholas, Carl, Hayward, Bobbie)
- Long Term Planning (Bobbie, Nicholas, Hayward, Bruce, Trevor, Carl, Earl, Lawrence)
- Negotiating (Hayward, Lawrence, Tony, Carl, Jay, Bobbie, Trevor, Nicholas)
- NewsGram (Trevor, Carl, Tony, Bobbie, Jay)
- Orientation (Jay, Tony, Carl, Hayward, Earl, Bobbie)
- Outreach (Lawrence, Bobbie, Carl, Trevor)
- Trustee Election Committee (Earl, Jay, Tony, Carl, Hayward)
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve the Trustee conference committee reports, excluding CAWS 07, 08, 09, and 10.
Jay F.: Second
TRUSTEE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORTS
- Trustee Conference Committee reports – lead member listed first and BOLD (discussion on reports previously submitted for review):
- Archives (Lawrence)
- Conference (Carl, Hayward)
- Convention (Tony)
- CAWS 2007 (Tony)
- CAWS 2008 (Trevor)
- CAWS 2009 (Jay)
- CAWS 2010 (Tony)
- Finance (Earl)
- Hospitals & Institutions (Hayward)
- IT (Trevor)
- Literature, Chips & Format (Jay, Bruce)
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- Public Information (Nicholas)
- Structure & Bylaws (Bobbie)
- Unity (Bruce)
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve CAWS 2007 report.
Jay F.: Second
2007 CA World Service Convention in Kansas City, Missouri
Good news! The CA.org web site has our registration form and newsletter up and ready to be downloaded. It looks great. We were disappointed in the registration forms but with the updates made we are very excited about the new results. Things are moving right along and much has been accomplished in spite of our tribulations. Once again in spite of our inadequacies through a joint effort trails have been met and overcome.
Our program committee has been working very hard and has started filling in information on the example Excel spreadsheet. Our speaker and workshop slates have been sent to the board for approval and the marathon topics for the biggest part have been selected.
We had a big fundraiser held at our regional convention that went off very well. We raised $2340. Pre-memorabilia sales are going well. We have also selected the memorabilia for the convention. Auction and drawing committees are continuing to collect items to auction.
Our hotel liaison has continued to negotiate with the hotel on the details and revisions for space needed. We had a hotel walkthrough to get more familiar with the premises. There was a really good turnout. The security committee has been formed and is starting to meet. Entertainment is coming along and contracts have started to get negotiated.
All in all everything is moving along and we will have a great convention!
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Jay F.: I would like to approve the 2008 convention report, but I have some questions about it. Tony D.: This is on the board to board. Would you like to add it as an agenda item?
Jay F.: yes please
Tony D.: Item number 2006.11.12 Questions regarding CAWS 2007/2008 (Jay) will be added to the agenda
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve CAWS 2008 report.
Jay F.: Second
Utah is at most goals as far as the timeline is concerned. There are, however, some issues that need attention. They have had a few problems as far as timely communication with the WSO. Things have improved, and hopefully they will work out. The next order of business will be to elect a new program chair. This needs to be done ASAP, and I have offered Terry my help in
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getting it done. The theme contest has been extended due to a lack of submissions, but there are two entries in the works that we know of.
Bank accounts need to be opened, and I will talk to the office on Friday, as apparently I am to be a signing authority on the account. More will be revealed. As for fundraising, so far they have raised $6,000.00- $7,000.00. They have a new fundraiser in the works. It is another bracelet, only this time it is a larger men’s version. It will have the C.A. logo on one side, and the 25th anniversary on the other. They are hopeful it will be approved by Christmas.
As a Christmas present to each other, the wife and I are planning a trip to Utah in January. It will coincide with the convention meeting, so I will be able to attend and get my feet wet without any cost to the fellowship. I am looking forward to it.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve CAWS 2009 report.
Jay F.: Second
The Colorado Area was selected as the host area for CAWS 2009 at the World Service Conference 2005. The Convention Committee Chair is Beth R. from Denver. The Steering Committee members have been selected also as follows: Rick G. Denver Program Chair; Rob W. Denver Hotel Liaison; Bill O. Denver Secretary; Richard S. Colorado Springs Treasurer; and Aaron C. Denver vice Chair. The Registration Chair is Yvonne M. from Denver and the Fundraising Chair is Eric C. from Denver. The Theme and Logo Chair is Maria from Denver. Planning efforts are commencing, even though the Convention is still three years out.
The hotel contract was finalized last December for the Omni Interlocken Resort. There will be some distinct opportunities to have resort like events at this hotel during the Convention, such as golf, trail hikes, campfire meetings, a giant pool party and the like.
The CAWS Convention in 2009 will be the 25th year of CAWS conventions and special designs, logos and events are being considered in conjunction with this celebration.
The Bid Committee horn the Colorado area donated its remaining funds to the CAWS 2009 Committee in an amount of approximately $1200. Initial fundraising efforts within the local fellowship are also underway. Now that the CAWS 2006 convention in Houston is complete, fundraising within the Southwest Region has commenced.
The focus on the Steering Committee has been to place its first budget together after being awarded the bid and ensuring that that budget is approved by the WSOB, the WSC Finance Committee, the WSC Convention Committee, and ultimately by the entire World Service Conference. A working budget is in place also and fundraising continues. At this juncture, the steering committee meets bi-monthly.
Beth R. CAWS 2009 Committee Chair, can be contacted by email at breinhardt@hhf-law.com Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
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Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve CAWS 2010 report.
JayF.: Second
2010 CA World Service Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
We will have competing hotel bids by Nov 15, 2006. At that time we will review them, make a plan and proceed to bargain with the hotels. If we have all the info we need we should be able to work out a contract that is favorable to our needs by mid December. I sent out an email looking for Steering Comm, chairs (three resumes coming) and will have a flier at the Area meeting on the 21st of November. We will have a full slate of candidates by the end of the year for review and confirmation.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Nicholas L.: point of information. On the Trustee reports there are six regions, what happened to the European region?
Tony D.: My fault I copied and pasted.
Trevor S.: Same issue with the Trustee conference committee reports with 2008.
Earl H.: Cynthia’s name is still listed.
* * * *Break for Dinner* * * *
OLD BUSINESS
Outstanding Correspondence:
2006.10.09 Richard D-use of original manuscript by a CA group.
Jay F.: Motion to table till after we get to the red book agenda item.
Carl W.: Second
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.09.01 Dot T anonymity issue-Follow up question
Tony D.: I believe Jay you posted something on this.
JayF.: Yes
Bobbie H.: Motion to approve response
JayF.: Second
2006.09.01 Anonymity issues – SCTA -follow-up question Proposed Response:
Dear Dot,
The WSBT appreciates your follow-up question related to the anonymity question, which we initially responded to last month. That response is attached below for your reference. What you
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are asking now is the propriety of using first names with last initials when referring to someone in our fellowship at the regional, district, area and group levels. We are of the view that using a first name and a last initial is a proper method of referencing someone at these levels. Only at the World Service level and only then among the participants at the World Service Conference should last names ever be used to reference any member of our fellowship.
In love and service The WSBT
Sent: Sat Nov 04 00:33:50 2006 Subject: Anonymity issues
I have passed your letter on to the other delegates in my area and we are not sure of your answer. I want to verify what you said in laymen’s terms that we should only use full names at the conference level. First name with last initial should be used at the regional, district, area and group levels.
I have attached your letter for you to examine and verify my understanding of your response and I’m eagerly awaiting your reply.
Dot T.
2006.09.01 Dot T. Anonymity Issue Dear Dot:
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to the attention of one of our members who then brought it to hie entire Board to review and comment upon. The issue is the appropriate level of anonymity, for a returning delegate from the World Service Conference to use in reporting back to the local area the events which transpired at the Conference itself. The question further centered on whether even first names and last initials were permissible to be used in such reports.
In looking into this matter, we refer to the entire set of CA traditions, the CA World Service Manual, as well as the writings in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. We have also referenced certain of Bill W.’s early writings on the subject of anonymity.
The problem even arises because at the World Service Conference level, for the Conference alone each year, last names are used in the internal records of the Conference. This is done for several reasons, first because legally, the meeting serves as the yearly official meeting of the fellowship under California law and the use of last names ensures formal and accurate record keeping in that important setting. Second, as the Conference acts as the official voice and conscience of our entire fellowship when in session, having a permanent record of what transpired and who participated with the ability to be able to fully identify the involved members serves to ensure that the record of such proceedings is accurate and can be referenced at any later
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time. Having said this, though, there are requests and admonitions to protect the anonymity of those that are there beyond the confines of the Conference itself.
Hence, your question centers on how to fairly and properly translate the Conference level of detail and anonymity outside of that setting and back to the local areas and throughout the general fellowship itself. To begin with, the issue becomes whether using one’s first name and last initial nears the prohibition of breaking anonymity at the “public level.” We do not think it does. There is no last name used, no one person by voluntarily having their entire name used within the general fellowship or even at the area service level seeking “personal recognition, power, prestige or profit,” as the WSM Statement of Anonymity (WSM 2006 edition page 10) so aptly warns against; and there is no “public recognition” being sought by any person whose name might be on the list. Further, having no full last name used ensures that personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, television and films is maintained as Tradition 11 proscribes.
On page 185 of the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions is the following quote:
Squarely before us was the question: “How anonymous should an A.A. member be? Our growth made it plain that we couldn’t be a secret society, but it was equally plain that we couldn’t be a vaudeville circuit, either. The charting of a safe path between these extremes took a long time.”
In fact, we, in CA, are continuing to chart that path as new challenges are presented related to the internet and other methods of media and information dissemination are developed which could not have been contemplated when the Traditions were crafted. We share this because it is entirely possible that the minutes of area and district service meetings could find their way to the internet, as has occurred in some of the service areas within our fellowship.
Further in that same passage (on page 186) is a discussion about the average newcomer wanting to be able to share with his family, friends and others close to him or her what he or she was attempting. That list of “quiet disclosures” was even expanded where appropriate to the employer and business associates of such newcomer. The text continues by explaining: though not in the strict letter of anonymity, such communications were well within its spirit.”
Two early Grapevine articles are also most insightful. The first, an unsigned editorial from November 1951 provides the following explanation:
AA tradition enters the picture only when the ‘anonymity’ break goes beyond the personal level….The difference, of course, is in the circumstances, and the intent…The answer is to be found in the very wording of Tradition Twelve…It says the spiritual foundation (of all of our Traditions) for it is the spirit of anonymity that is all important.
In this instance, sharing the events of the Conference itself is appropriate, and sharing who participated and facts about the members who were in attendance by using a participant’s first name and last initial is still within this spirit of anonymity. We note also, that our own publication The Newgram copies of which are available on the ca.org website, and at our
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meetings, contain the first names and last initials of members of both the WSBT and the WSOB. There is no need; therefore to even be further anonymous by identifying Conference by their position, in fact we are of the view that such practice would be confusing and perhaps carrying the anonymity provisions even too far.
The Grapevine article continues to further explore anonymity issues and acknowledges the wide variety of anonymity practices even solely within our own rooms and service bodies. It adds that no matter what, “Whenever a speaker appears at an outside function… the (full) name is jealously withheld even though everybody in the room may know him personally.” The article then notes “it is not the purpose of … AA at anytime to define what constitutes or what does not constitute practical anonymity. That is purely a matter of group conscience. Individual opinion may argue as to where to draw the line. Actually, there will probably never be any line.”
In a later Grapevine article from January 1955 entitled “Why AA is Anonymous,” Bill W. traces in detail the development of early anonymous experiences/lessons. We found one passage particularly applicable to the question here:
This is why we see anonymity at the general public level as our chief protection against ourselves, the guardian of all our Traditions and the greatest symbol of self-sacrifice that we know. Of course no AA need be anonymous to family, friends, or neighbors. Disclosure there is usually fight and good. Nor is there any special danger when we speak at group or semi-public AA meetings, provided press reports reveal first names only. But before the general public- press, radio, films, television and the like—the revelation of full names and pictures is the point of peril. This is the main escape hatch, for the fearful destructive forces that still lie latent in us all. Here the lid can and must stay down.
We thank you for bringing this entire issue forward. If you or any other member of the online service area desires further information or has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
In love and service,
The World Service Board of Trustees
Subject: Question about Conference reports Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 01:59:41 -0500
I am writing up conference reports to take to my area this weekend. I have a question about using whole names. I understand that the conference uses full names because of legal ramifications (I suppose). But shouldn’t I only use First name last initial when giving reports to the Area? I feel it best if we just use your title “Trustee Pacific South”. I need a response quickly as we have Area meeting this weekend. Somehow I feel that using full names is breaking anonymity. Let me know if I am taking anonymity too far (smiles)?
Thanks
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Dot T.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.2.12 WSBT statements, positions and accessibility to both the WSBT and the fellowship.
This is a big project that we still need to get a handle on. Its not that the data is missing, but all the responses are posted on the storage site. So when you need one for reference there is a lot of material to search through. Maybe this is something that the sub committee can work on before the next quarterly. At least we can start indexing the data into even a separate file not into the archives but into a separate file. We have been working with the webservant to give us a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section on the C.A. website and also add what region the person asking the question is from. I’ve talked with the new webservant about the project he should be up to speed in January. In the meantime the committee can work on indexing the list of responses we have. By the next quarterly will there be something to present? Yes.
2006.2.18 World Wide trademark protection of the CA logo in other languages
It says this item is to remain on the agenda until it’s reported that finance has it and will be addressing it. Finance doesn’t have it and they are not addressing it. So when can the WSBT expect an update? I think that the finance committee will be working together this year. We have a new chair so this should be taken care of. I need to review the item in order for finance to be well informed. It states that the item was created May 2005, then amended in August 2005 “that the WSBT provide the WSC Finance committee with a proposal and a request that they budget for this”. Have we provided this? I don’t know the background on this but I feel some urgency on this as the fellowship is expanding. Is the C.A. logo protected in other countries? I think this is something that deserves some urgency. This item stems from the former ANRT request to protect the C.A. logo in the European Union. If this is the case then this protection was paid for a while back amounting to $2900. I know we are protected in both the European Union and Canada; I cannot speak to any of the other countries in the world. We did talk in the finance committee about this item, where we are amortizing this cost over the 15 years period of the protection. I think this item can be removed from the agenda, unless the board wants to see how much it will cost for any other country? So are we done with this and removing it from the agenda? South Africa is an area in the European region. That area is recognized do we give it more priority than a man sitting in Bulgaria? Do we lump them all in together? The CA logo might be under attack in South Africa because that country is much larger. When you say you are writing it off is that what that means? I was going to suggest that we keep it on the agenda for quarterly review. We have another issue that the C.A. logo is protected in the European region for a period of fifteen years. I don’t think this need’s to remain on the agenda for fifteen years. It’s been brought up about South Africa and if we leave it here then nothing will change with South Africa’s protection. We need to decide that someone will head up a sub committee and do that. Actually the item states worldwide protection doesn’t this cover everywhere. The former WST used to bring updates to the quarterly meetings about our protection of the C.A. logo worldwide. This has been an ongoing item for every quarterly since I have been on the board. I thought it should never be removed from the agenda. What are we really talking about dealing
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with, right now? Our trademark “We’re Here and We’re Free” and the C.A. logo are protected here in the United States, Canada, and the European Union. Would this be possible to move into the subcommittee Long Term Planning (LTP) and have them monitor it? When it becomes an issue then it can be brought back to this table. I like that idea. This was originally dealing with the European Union and we have accomplished this, but there are other countries. This should be on an as needed basis since it can be pretty costly. I’m speaking about South Africa, because I have knowledge of it. This is the third largest country in the world to send people to rehabs. They use our trademark “We’re Here and We’re Free”. This could be a place where there could he a lot of abuse to our trademark and C.A. logo. I have the current document showings where we are protected. Initially I sent the list of all the countries in the European Union that I received from the former ANRT to our outside legal firm requesting protection that is where the $2900.00 came from. Can the document be reviewed to see if South Africa is on that list? No it is not on the list. So can South Africa be added to the list and sent back to the WSO with a note that says monitor as such. I don’t want it to go into LTP and get lost. There is something on the agenda of the LTP committee this is not a wish list thing and that attention is needed immediately. I thought about, especially with understanding that protection is required in South Africa. It could go into long term planning with an expected date. I motion that this item be transferred into long term planning, to create a proposal to be presented after approval from the board to the finance committee to budget for this. Have it set up where it is budgeted for, where we don’t have to deal with this any more. There is a line item in there, so that when something comes up the office does not have to come to us. That was a long motion can it be shorten?
Bobbie H.: I motion that this item be transferred into long term planning.
Jay F.: Seconded.
Discussion:
Somebody expressed a fear that it could get lost, how could this happen? LTP has an agenda that has not been addressed; some things fell through the cracks. And it is possible that it could get lost if the chair is not responsible on that committee. What I’m really saying is that we have a subcommittee of LTP and this subcommittee was not active. Our very next agenda item says “copyright and trademark protection” to remain on quarterly agenda for review. We could set up a sub-bullet that says South Africa. We can call the law firm and find out how much it will cost us to protect our C.A. logo in South Africa.
Bobbie H.: I withdraw my motion.
The WSO will be tasked to contact our outside legal firm about South Africa protection. If that country is not protected then how much will it will cost. South Africa did become an area at the 2005 WSC? Yes. This item will remain on the agenda until the March quarterly which we will then receive an update from the WST.
2006.2.20 Copyright and trademark protection and sub-bullet of Canadian review due in 2006.
This has been renewed by the WSO. We will leave this on the agenda for quarterly review.
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2006.2.27 further changes to the ratification process in the WSM
Follow up at the March quarterly,
2006.2.32 Document historic traditional ways, WSOB addresses matters such as staff pay increases.
Review at March quarterly. This item has been on the agenda since November 2005, it states that the document will be scanned and forward to the sub-committee for review. That task was completed. The document in question is the performance review document the WSO uses to rate their employees. We were all supposed to look at it. We were talking about removing this from the agenda. So that is why we left it here. We are supposed to remove this agenda item? What were the results of the review? I do not recall seeing this document. Normally when we remove something it is at that quarterly and then we never see it again. Was this document to show how the WSOB handles reviews? The WSBT received the document by email and it’s also posted on the storage site. My understanding was that we were not aware of this document; maybe we handled it in a subcommittee somewhere. But once we saw this document we realized there was something in place so that we didn’t have to create something. Ok then we can all see it and say that there is something in place and we support the subcommittee in their findings. Yes, we will review this at the March quarterly after everyone has seen it and a chance to come up with questions. Since this document is available can we do this online instead of holding it on the agenda? Yes, that way it does not have to carry over into March. Who wants to lead? The WST will.
2006.8.13 Signature of annual corporate documents
Our bylaws require that once a year we sign this document. I posted it so that when we are gone you guys have it. The trick is to take and update the bylaws and attach them. Who is going to keep this document? The Corporate Secretary. This item to remain on the November quarterly agenda as a place marker.
2006.8.19 issue of AA tapes at CA conventions.
What we are proposing to do here is send a referral to the convention, S&B conference committees that only C.A. speaker tapes be displayed, cataloged and sold at CAWS conventions. Also the WSO create a letter that should go out to the current host city convention committee stating when acquiring bids from taping vendors they will only- display, catalog and sale C.A. speaker tapes. This item will be moved to online business. This should be completed in a couple weeks.
2006.8.21 Numbers for volume two preface
Will this count only consist of C.A. meetings? Do we count H&I meetings also? We do not count H&I meetings for area representation so why would we count them here? This information will go in the preface of the HFC II book showing the number of C.A. group’s worldwide. I don’t think we need to count H&I meetings, this would be a misrepresentation. What we want to
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do is discuss what type of census we want to use to arrive at this number. What number would you like the office to use? The most recent and correct number was given in the Regional Trustees quarterly reports.
Bobbie H. I motion to use the numbers of the meetings from the current regional Trustee quarterly reports.
Hayward H.: Second
What did Literature Chips and Formats (LCF) say about this? The committee asked for all the regional Trustee reports so that they could add up the numbers themselves. So LCF was on the same page as the WSBT. So now would the regional Trustees like to post their quarterly reports to LCF? No maybe just the total group numbers, I will do a review of all the regional Trustee reports, obtain the numbers, send the total count to the regional Trustees first to verify and then forward that count to the WSO. We are leaving out H&I meetings? Yes.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.9.03 Referral 5000 From Kevin M to address TEC’s numerical imbalance and the difficulty of the WSBT members being in two places at one time “Consider drawing lots at the winter meeting for a needed Trustee presence at the TEC meeting.”
Jay F.: Our subcommittee posted this and at this time I move to have it approved.
Carl W.: Second.
2006.09.03 Referral #5000 Date: 9/2/06 From: Kevin M. (Tony, Carl, Jay, Trevor)
11-7-06
To address the TEC numerical imbalance, and the difficulty of the WSBT members being 2 places at one time, consider drawing lots at the winter meeting for a needed Trustee presence on the TEC.
Proposed Response:
We appreciate the spirit of this Referral and continued concern about how the TEC selects new Trustees. At the WS Conference 2006, the Conference passed a revised selection/voting process, which in essence confirmed the ratio of Trustee members of the TEC (ten in number) and Delegate members of the TEC (seven in number). There were many referrals, which were submitted to the Conference for consideration at the 2006 WS Conference in the aftermath of the decision by the 2005 TEC to leave on Trusteeship unfilled for that year. In light of this concern, the WSBT studied this issue and brought forth a motion to remedy past problems and uncertainties. This was passed by the Conference this year, as we noted earlier in this response. The S&B Conference Committee also studied this issue tins year and opted to see if the revised process would work. The TEC was pleased to announce that all four Trustee openings were in fact filled at the 2006 selections using the revised process. Incidentally, this year’s TEC had eight Trustee members and seven Delegate members.
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To address the specific concerns from this referral, our current experience has shown that while there may be a slight numerical imbalance, it still takes a combination of both Trustees and Delegate TEC members to select a new Trustee (it takes a 2/3 ratification to be selected; so if there are 15 votes as there were this year, it would take 10 votes for ratification- remember that the ratio was 8 Trustee members and 7 Delegate members). So, we do not see the numerical imbalance as unfair or problematic. In fact, the Conference itself by its actions this year tacitly approved this imbalance.
As to the difficulty of the WSBT members being in two places at one time as also referenced in this referral, this year all the interviews were held and completed even before the Conference started. So, during the Conference, there were no interviews held during Conference Committee or Conference floor time. Only the Trustee voting occurred during the Conference week, as it could not have occurred any earlier due to the need to first pass the revised selection process. The WSBT worked earnestly this year to ensure that there was minimal time away from the respective Conference committees. The WSBT and ultimately the TEC when configured for next year will continue this practice.
So, we decline to proceed to act upon this referral in the manner requested. The process as it stands now with the effort to complete the interview portion of the process prior to the start of the Conference works as properly and should not be altered at this time.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.9.04 4895 from Dan S. please see attached sheet “Why do you feel it is important that you again serve as a Trustee rather deferring to the concept of the spirit of rotation and allowing another to serve in that position.”
Nicholas L.: I move to approve the response.
Earl H.: Second
Referral #4895 Date: 8/30/06 From: Dan Santa M, (Jay, Trevor, Nick and Lawrence)
Please see attached sheet for referral content; one page. Attached: “why do you feel it is important that you again serve as a Trustee rather than deferring to the concept of the “spirit of rotation” and allowing another to serve in this position?”
Proposed Response; Dear Dan,
The WSBT much appreciates you bringing this question forward to the Board at this time. Presently the Trustee election process functions very well with the confidential questions written, reviewed and updated (where necessary) by the entire Board. We are not at liberty to discuss what questions comprise the interview process due to their extreme confidential nature of the
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entire process. We can advise you though that, the WSBT will consider adding your question as appropriate.
In love and service
The WSBT
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.9.05 Referral# 4234 Deb H. “Our delegates and another member lent our CA name and logo to a softball game. I believe this violates traditions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,10,11, and 12 since we do not lend our CA name to any related facility or outside enterprise. I also believe it is a trademark violation and thus illegal. After bringing this to their attention they contacted our Trustee and he Okayed it and agreed with their decision. Enclosed are the Trustee responses and mine. I believe this is a blatant disregard to the traditions and it has not been resolved to my satisfaction. I am eager to hear what the rest of the conference has to say on the issue.”
Bobbie H.: Motion to approve the response that was posted
Jay F.: Second
Proposed response:
This exact referral was sent to the WSBT at the end of Conference 2005. We studied the issue(s) presented and approved a response which was attached to our 2006 WSBT Conference Report. We, for some reason, have been presented with the exact same referral even with the same referral number. The prior response to the same referral, which we again confirm, is as follows:
Response:
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to our attention. You had written a referral to the Conference, which was referred on to the WSBT for review and comment. We too thank you for the narrative setting forth the problem as it helps to clarify the depth and breadth of the concern.
The issue of CA softball in recovery leagues continues to come up locally and even, as in Kansas, at the District and Area level.
In our review of this matter the traditions and concepts as well as the writings in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions guide us. We have referenced to the Fourth Tradition, which provides that “Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or CA as a whole.” The inquiry becomes therefore, whether the permission to have the team and use the CA logo, which occurred in Kansas, was within the purview of the Kansas Area to permit or disallow, or whether such action(s) affect other groups, districts, areas or CA as a whole.
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We are further guided by the long form of the Fourth Tradition which provides in part: “And no group, regional committee, or individual should ever take any action that might greatly affect [C.A.] as a whole without conferring with the Trustees…. On such issues our common welfare is paramount.” Also in the narrative text of the Fourth Tradition (page 147), the inquiry seems to turn to whether the action taken would “greatly” injure C.A. as a whole. In that same paragraph is the notion that the group’s sole objective has to be “Sobriety”; and “in all other respects there was perfect freedom of will and action. Every group had the right to be wrong.”
So we begin by asking whether the use of the CA logo for a CA based softball team, and even having a CA softball team in a recovery league affects other groups, districts, areas, or CA as a whole. Further, we must then ask whether that action might or did serve to “greatly” affect CA as a whole. This inquiry then relates to the first part of our First Tradition as to whether our common welfare is impacted.
In using this framework, we decline to find that what occurred in Kansas greatly affected CA as a whole and that our common welfare was impacted to such a level as to prohibit participation by CA members in a softball league or the use of the CA logo by a CA team.
We are mindful that there are many challenges on the periphery of CA recovery that might affect our events and members at some level: some relate to smoking or non-smoking, some to food perhaps (for example buffets at banquets); some to gender issues; some perhaps to cigar meetings; some related to emotional matters and even ‘anon issues; and we could go on. Softball would be in this group too. The point is that those types of matters, while important, are tangential to the CA primary purpose of obtaining freedom from cocaine and all other mind-altering substances. Our sole objective, as the text so perfectly states is “Sobriety.”
We are saying basically that the Kansas CA members who played softball in a recovery league using the CA logo, as this was presented to us, does not greatly affect CA as a whole. Therefore it is left to the autonomy of the Area to decide whether such events are proper after a full discussion of all arguments pro and con. The group conscience of the Area would then take precedence on this matter. In this instance, the Kansas Area actually gave the required permission, in writing on April 9, 2005 pursuant to a full discussion at an Area ^service meeting held that day. The minutes of the Area reflect this action by the Area. The matter appears to have been considered and resolved by such action at the Area level. If there were disagreement with the action, those could have been brought and considered at a later Area meeting under the CA 5th Concept. To our knowledge, that did not occur either and has not occurred since that time.
We also looked at the correspondence from that time and find the supplemental information and facts very different than those, which were presented in this referral. The reference to a member of our Board “agreeing” with the action taken by members of the Area is not what actually occurred. The member of our board advised the local trusted servants that the matter was to be left for consideration by the area at an Area meeting. Further, the member
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advised the local fellowship consistently with the references to the Traditions contained in this response. A letter by the maker of this referral to the Trustee was written on April 16, 2005, postmarked April 21, 2005 and responded to by the Trustee on April 25, 2005 which response contained a detailed explanation of the facts as well as what the Trustee did in fact represent to the Area servants by way of advice to them. In that letter, the maker of the referral was again reminded of her ability under our service structure and concepts to request a new vote or express a formal minority opinion. To date that has not occurred in the subsequent year this matter has been pending. We re-emphasize the rights of anyone with a minority opinion or disagreement with an action of the Area service board, that person can always express that opinion and ask for a new vote.
We close with a quote again horn the Twelve by Twelve:
Over the years every conceivable deviation from our Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions has been tried. That was sure to be, since we are so largely a band of ego-driven individualists. Children of chaos, we have defiantly played with every brand of fire, only to emerge unharmed and, we think, wiser. These very deviations created a vast process of trial and error, which under the grace of God has brought us to where we stand today. (Page 146)
We thank you for bringing this issue forward. If you or the concerned member or any other member of the Kansas fellowship desires further information or has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.9.06 Referral# 4888 Ann B. – See attached: Regarding distribution of the Red book by H&I committee and the H&I meetings. Attached is a flyer asking for a signature to support the acceptance of the Red Book by WS. They received 166 signatures.
This is one that was an agenda item from a few years ago and then hit the referrals last year. A response was sent out. There were some concerns about the issue of the Red Book if it affects CA as a whole. So we kicked some language around and we posted something. In looking at this piece, I feel it greatly affects CA as a whole, because it is not approved at the conference. Yes the group has its own autonomy, but the conference has approved certain literature. If you want to go out side this then why are you asking if it is ok? You already know its wrong, so why ask if you can do it. The response was good, but we need stronger language and redline that it does affect CA as a whole. Next we will be bringing in religious literature. Yes the group conscious says its ok, but does it help the new man to see you reading from the Bible or the Koran? We need to say “no, it is not ok for you to use this book”, and this is why. My thinking about this is still evolving. This book is very popular in our area; people pass it out to their sponsee. It is very different that the Bible or the Koran it is the Big Book (BB). It is just the big book published by someone other that Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), it does have other stuff along with the BB text that is not offered with the AA approved BB. This book is cheaper than any other BB and that is why it is so appealing. They need to take these signatures to the conference floor and have them approve it there. We can’t sanction its use because it is not conference approved. I like the way
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you reworded it. I like to suggest pulling this item back and take care of it online. Are there any objections to moving this item to online business? No.
2006.10.09 tabled following the red book issue
This item needs to be moved to online business also. Are there any objections to this? No. We need volunteers to work on this – (Trevor, Jay, Carl, Lawrence and Bruce. Carl is the lead).
Referral # 5487 from Bruce W. – “Cocaine Anonymous should initiate and develop contacts within AA and NA at the world service levels. Perhaps among boards of Trustees for the purpose of identifying areas of cooperation that serves the primary purposes of the fellowships.
I offered this referral at the request of a chair from the Massachusetts area. I did draft a response and have passed this out to the members of the subcommittee. In summary: Our fellowship and the WSBT board already do this. Referencing the when trust is lost issue-where board members have talked with members of Narcotics Anonymous about this subject. We are aware we cannot do anything that can be taken as endorsing or lending the CA name to either of these fellowships.
Bobbie H.: I agreed with Jay’s comment. I motion to approve response for (Referral # 5487 information attached below)
JayF.: Second
Do we have this to send around? It is posted on the storage site. We will table this until we get the chance to read it.
2006.06.05 Follow up on 2006 NADCP conference-Needs from office for 2007/8 NADCP, 2007 attendance and cost.
I went online to their website to get real information about it. The dates are June 13 – 16 2007. I printed out the budget to see the numbers. This gives the cost of the hotel and the overflow hotel. I realized we would stay within the budget. We budgeted $2500 for the booth, but I found a real nice one for $1900. There are two parts to the booth. There has to be graphics made and this is where some of the additional costs are coming from. There are two different prices for member or non-member. I will ask the WSO tomorrow which one we are (member or nonmember). I will start planning next month, getting registered and the hotel room. Who are the attendees? TAL, ARNT and MWRT would be the closest Trustees to this. Or would we send someone who has already been there. MWRT states I will go, but the WSBT might want to consider sending someone who will be on the board for a few more years to gain some experience with this. I believe that would serve CA better. Would you want some office participation and support? We have discussed someone from the office going that would be up to the WSBT. I think Jay was correspondence last year. From my perspective it might be good to have someone attend from the WSO. We should have someone that can attend every year. In reference to the signs if the sizes are provided and what you’re looking for in graphics, then we can secure bids.
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There are a couple of things that need to be shared from last year’s experience: We met with the meeting planner about having a CA presentation. She said if we contact them immediately then, we could have our own seminar with a time slot to do a presentation on CA. We might want to contact her now to get this slot. I would be willing to help you with the letters and getting these out. This needs to be more of a priority. We need to find something that at least our board approves about how to start CA when there is none in the area. When there is not a CA group within even 100 miles of a courthouse when there is a drug court, we need to get started with these guidelines. In thinking about the price of the booth-was the graphics you were talking about within the budget? Yes we could easily do all of this for the $2500. It will be great to have the booth, graphics and presentation ready for this event. In talking about the structure-one of the things we talked about was not using the large part of a booth maybe something simple you just tack up. The booth the WSO presently has is very old. The new booths fit in a box and folds out like an accordion. It’s a 10 X 10 booth you carry in like a briefcase. The other two fellowships were very Professional with things they hung up, laptop presentations and gave out literature. The booth described is the one I found online. Is there an email address contact to request the space that was talked about? Please write down your ideas so I can have them when I inquire about these things. I am waiting for them to say they are ok with the green and white folders that were passed at the conference by the PI committee. I don’t think we can give away books yet, but we need to have one there to show that we have a book. Planning for this event needs to start in December 2006. You’ll start next month and if you need help with planning, letters you will reach out to the committee. We can follow up at the next quarterly. We can ask the WSO tomorrow if we are in a position to provide any books for this.
2006.10.02 Budgets Early discussion with the WSOB on providing cash for international Trustees and report back
Remove this item from the agenda and provide cash to the international Trustee that needs it.
2006.10.05 Status of HFCII
Through conversations with the WSOB chair and WSBT vice chair this has been resolved. The book originally went to the typesetter to be laid out with the correct font. This item can be removed from the agenda
2006.10.06 Status of NewsGram from August conference
The August NewsGram was scrapped. I would ask that we do two articles per quarter. These do not need to be assigned. This item will be removed from the agenda. Do we have a deadline? I don’t know yet, but when I get one from the WSOB chair I will let the board know. At this point we are waiting to see when the next delegate mailings goes out and a deadline will follow that.
2006.10.07 Status of the NewsGram editor vacancy, job description, process for selection and when will this be advertised and filled?
The position is still vacant. I don’t know if the job description is being revised or not. The WSO and the interim editor are working together to create something that is powerful and impacting.
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Eventually there will be something you can subscribe to like the Grapevine. They are working on a description. Do we want to leave this one for the next quarterly? I will change it from November to March.
2006.10.08 Code of conduct for paid employees
There is presently about half of page of some ideas regarding the code of conduct for paid employees. This focused on making sure that paid employees behave properly when they interact in the area or in individual group meetings. I circulated this through the committee. I did get responses from some. One of the suggestions I got was that paid employees should limit their outside service activity as it may not be possible for them to do both. One might interfere with the other and this is something I did not address. It sounds like this is being worked on in committee and would you want to address it online? I assume the committee can contact a lawyer to see if it is even legal to tell an employee what they can and cannot do in their personal time. I wanted to make sure that the WSOB was not doing this at this time. I am working on this.
I think we can call it done for tonight. Some of these subcommittees can get started on some of their stuff tonight.
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2006.10.10 Recovery in the desert issues
Can the 18 meetings petition to become a district? They do not want to be a part of whatever these other people want to be a part of. They refuse to associate with them in any matter. Would they have to petition to become their own area? They can become their own area, but once they petition then it will go to the conference floor. The first question they would ask is “why do you want to become your own area”. I do not see why they cannot do their petition. We can project questions that might be asked. We cannot do anything to the other group. I believe it is best to leave that group to itself; we should not be apart of giving them a suggestion. I don’t want to see us say to them to stick it out. Coming from an area that is split over some unpleasant circumstances, I agree with what is being shared. When Edmonton split off, it was hard as the Area Chair. But now both areas have grown as a result. Who are we to say what is best for them. When you are looking at the paper you signed talking about how we are the guardians of the traditions, there are quite a few things we can do. We look at the traditions violations. With number one, they have totally divided that entire area. What they are doing has affected CA as a whole-tradition four. 7th tradition-they are co-mingling funds; no one knows how much they have. Also it says that any member of CA may look at your treasury, but they totally refuse to let that happen. There is something we can do. They are asking for help. We can set precedence here. Warranty five of concept 12 – acts of government find it necessary to inflict punishment upon violation of their beliefs, principals, or laws. Because of our special situation we find this practice unnecessary. We will never take punitive measures against our members, that’s what it says somewhere I think. We cannot discipline them, they have to discipline themselves. If the bank account is secretive, then why do we know about it? We have talked about this a lot. I remember watching as a delegate an area that had a lot of thievery going on in it, the members running the area, were also controlling the money, A lot of people are being placed in positions
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of so called power as a result of this there are new areas being formed. I think those bad seeds didn’t hold on to the perceived power and died out In the World Service Manual it talks about the responsibility of the board to help deal with anything that affects CA as a whole either internally or externally. All things that may endanger the existence of our fellowship or limit its growth are concerns of the WSBT. At what point do we become punitive when we are trying to be protective? We do not have the power to non-accredit them. Under item number 8 in the manual the last sentence states except in great emergency neither the WSBT nor any of its related services are to ever take any action liable greatly to affect CA as a whole without first consulting the conference. We cannot discredit an area, but the conference can. I am a believer that if you look closely there are always loopholes. In Canada in order to change something like a bank account we have provided them with a copy of the minutes and signing authorities. Is something like this possible? The first year that I came to conference I saw the Texas situation. In our area four groups came out of one, three out of another. You don’t know what is going to happen. We just heard a good idea. There are provisions in here that we as a board can ask the floor for an advisory on something or that we can ask them to act on something, when it is not in session. I support these groups leaving; we can help make sure the area petition is right. But that does not take care of the other problem. We can do that 10th concept and take this to the conference. Let’s pass this off to the body that has the power to change this. Our job is to give guidance to them. I might suggest one last effort to talk to them about this. Then we can take that to the conference. In the 12th concept the part that says no conference action. We are putting two different things together. One saying here’s where we see you violating the traditions and the one, two, three members that go back and personally deliver this in trying to talk to them. The second document we would be forced to send to the delegates. That we put in there a copy of what we presented to these individuals. And it be noted that they were not there. Can we work on two documents? One to be presented to this area again and a second document that might have to go to the conference delegates asking for their advice. What happens when we send this document and they let us see these bank statements that they have had for seven years? And we see things they did with C.A. money? If we take that attitude then we need to go and check where all the monies are being spent. We need to look at the primary purpose; whatever happened with that money does not matter. Every question that I ask you guys, are the questions that I am being asked. So when I go to the area meeting and the question about the bank account comes up, everyone argues about it. I cannot tell them it is a mute point. If I don’t agree with a meeting then I do not go there. It is not about the money, it’s about the misuse of our good name. If I go to a meeting where I am not allowed to speak, I am not going to that meeting anymore. Have we told these people that there are 18 meetings nearby that would be happy to let them speak? You say this affects CA as a whole, but if I ask them about it in Europe no one would know who they were. But if you bring it to the conference floor then everyone in the UK would know about it also. I do not see any realistic way to deal with the past problems. I think the solution is the one that has been outlined already. Maybe the leadership will change just by hearing that we are moving in this direction? I think that the meetings should form their own area and do not put another penny in the basket that is not being given back to CA. What you have is split, 18 meetings here and 22 meetings there. The 22 meetings money is being taken right horn the meetings and at the area they are not donating any. It affects CA as a whole when these meetings stop donating funds. The South Central district of CALA is one of the largest 7th traditions contributors. They are only looking to the Trustees because they cannot go to their area. Is someone from the 18 meetings ready to file this petition? Yes. Could two areas exist this
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close together? Yes. We cannot do anything about the money from the past. I would like to see us help them with the petition. I would like to take the suggestion we talked about and the emergency mailing be the petition, can we do that? They need and immediate fix.
Bobbie H. I would like to make a motion that in the delegate mailing we have this petition in them. That we help them with the petition – motion withdrawn.
How axe they going to split everything? They can keep everything, I have written down that you will help them with their petition and bring farther information online. Can we put something in the mailer about what to do in this certain situation? Yes, but make it a motion when someone has a drafted document. Then we can vote on a specific document, not the idea of doing it.
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Open meeting with a moment of silence and the serenity prayer.
2006.11.01 Recovery center in Little Rock
I got a call from a member the group is holding their meetings at a recovery center. This recovery center is planning a fundraiser; they asked the group to donate food for the party after this event. She asked for our opinion on this. I believe it is a tradition violation, and giving funds to an outside enterprise. I sent something out for the board to look at. We will put this online until there is a response. Please have a draft of a response when you have an agenda item.
2006.11.02 UK district issues
We have not started on this yet; they wanted clarification on concept 12, warranty 6 acts of government. I would like to move this item to online business. This is moved to online
NEW BUSINESS
2006.3.17 Referrals clarifying regional assembly process – Jay follow up regarding submission to S&B.
Our board sent a referral to S&B about revising the regional assembly process. There were revisions made in the first paragraph and then the second paragraph, which was the voting process. This issue is split in S&B and they passed the second paragraph, the 1st paragraph was taken back into committee. It was not where we wanted it to go and this is a problem. My suggestion is to re-submit it the way it was. Then I will explain that it does not need to be repaired, just bring it to the floor as is. How about circulating it again unchanged for board approval? Follow up at the next quarterly.
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2006.11.03 TEC planning for this year’s chair and pass it on
I put this on the agenda because we need a chair. We also need to select a smaller committee from the board that will do the planning and revise the questions. Who wants to be on the subcommittee? Everyone? Pass it on will be forthcoming. Everyone is on the sub-committee for the questions? Yes, let’s select the chair here. Additionally this was a TAL responsibility, but it has been changed to be pooled.
Jay F.: I nominate Earl
Hayward H.: Second
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously. Ok Earl is the chair. I am removing this from the agenda.
2006.11.04 Manual guideline approval signoff
This is in response to the S&B report where they said they did not have to go through the approval process. I would like us to come up with an agreement that we follow the process that we did last year. I would like to see a referral to S&B to add a standing rule that conference committees have to wait for the approved transcripts from the WSO before approving committee guidelines. We will move this to online business.
2006.11.05 Date and time for the next quarterly
Bruce W.: Move to have the next quarterly March 2nd, 3rd and 4th 2007
Carl W.: Second
Tony D,: To start at 7pm on Friday and ending on 12pm on Sunday.
Motion Passes Unanimously
2006.11.06 Date and time for the next WSBT conference call
Carl W.: Motion to have it January 7th, 2007 10am pacific.
Jay F.: Second
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
2006.11.07 Update on regional Trustee selection process
This new process worked wonderfully. I have made some forms on how to do the first and second ballots and made it into a handout. Our regional assemble came before the transcripts from the conference were done, so I used what I had and I can give that to you here also.
2006.11.08 Tradition four issue in groups affecting CA as a whole
A member wanted to know where the line is drawn when the actions of his group affect CA as a whole. This item will be combined with item 2006.11.02 so that item 2006.11.08 will disappear from the agenda.
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2006.11.09 Europe and travel to the conference
I did not formulate anything yet. Having spoken to the area chairs and delegates in the European region they are finding it difficult to get here financially for the conference. Sometimes they are using their own money since they are coming from very small groups, who may not have enough money to send them. I wonder if anyone had ever come up with having a European conference, since many of them may never have enough money to get here. How can we expect them to get here if they never have enough money? The UK is able to fund all their delegates, but some of the other smaller areas are not as able. These regions and areas already feel separated. By this are you proposing it’s own European conference? Yes. What do the other fellowships do? There are also a lot of places in Canada where they are not covering our entire trips to the conference or sometimes not at all. Also the international borders are also hard to cross sometimes and can be a deterrent to some people. It is something that needs to be looked into, but it is difficult to include everyone all the time. Even in the Texas area they did not send any representatives, because they had no funds. So it is not just in the European Union it is also in the small areas here. This is why having another region carrying your vote is so important. It is your voice that is important, not the numbers. In situations like this I would be happy to see us give up some money to these smaller areas to get them to the conference. How about going to the regional assembly and have them look at the Celebrate around the World event. That is where that money is supposed to go. Maybe plan something really big while you have all your representatives together. I am having a problem with an area only an hour and a half away. I am going to ask them to proxy their votes to another area. I am going to look a little deeper into what AA does on this. This year we planned on a big event, but only CALA is doing it and they are going to generate nearly 40k from this. I have tried to use celebrate around the world and these others venues to try to generate funds for the entire regions. We generate our funds to send the delegates from our area convention. World is stretched for funds already. AA has digital archives; does anyone know what NA uses? We should have a subscription for the board to these archives to research this. They do not have a culture of fundraising because they are new and I am going to get to teach them. In the manual, it says unless you have been a voting member then that shrinks who can come and replace me. I think there are only five people. Are we depriving ourselves of someone fantastic because of the money? UK AA has a conference, I have been there. The minutes are shared with the New York conference. NA has a European conference that is held in Brussels. It took them a long time to get there. I am not looking for a quick time fix. My concern is that you will see the same four people on the slate for the next four years. I will encourage them to do this fundraising so that the slate can get larger. Its one thing for them to proxy their vote, but it is another for them to experience it. Maybe online we can share some experience with you on our regional events. Can we leave this on the agenda and I will give you an update in March? Yes we will leave this on.
****Break for Board to Board meeting****
2006.11.10 Potential conflicts of interest in selection of the WSC positions
I have no need to talk about this. Any objections to removing this from the agenda? Ok will be removed.
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I received this letter during the week from Co-Anon. My question was I know that we decided that this was not ours to give, but did we actually ever return any correspondence on this? It has not been sent. I will send this. Do you have what we said we were going to say? Why is it not ours to give? We do not own these, we asked permission from AA. So we told them to contact AA. We did however; give permission to use our phrase “And All Other Mind Altering Substances”. Can you copy me on the email to Co-Anon? Yes. Can you post the letter as well as the response? Scan it and post it, then it can go into archive.
November 6th 2006 Dear CA WSBT,
We have been advised from the WSO that the request for Co-Anon Family Groups to use, adapt, and reprint your Steps, Traditions and Concepts has been referred/transferred to your committee. Therefore, I would like to officially follow-up on that request. Please advise us on the status of this approval.
Pilar R.
Co-Anon Family Groups
World Service Chairperson
Co-Anon Family Groups
Dear Pilar R.
Thank you for your request. After careful consideration, we have determined that we do not own the 12 Steps, Traditions and Concepts. Therefore; we are unable to grant permission for you to use property that is not ours. However; as you have already received permission from AA, CAWS can and does here by grant Co-Anon permission to use the phrase “cocaine and all other mind altering substances,” in your . adaptation.
In Love and Service.
The World Service Board of Trustees
Date: 11/19/06
2006.11.12 Issues regarding CAWS 2007 and CAWS 2008
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My questions were answered you can remove this.
This brings us to the end of the agenda. I would like to look over the agenda from the beginning to look at the items we put off until online. Then I would like to break for dinner to give the subcommittee time so we can get some stuff approved tonight and possibly tomorrow.
Outstanding Correspondence
2006.10.09-Rchard D Use of original manuscript in CA meeting
This goes with the Redbook, there are five members and on the other only three. I think we can work on this all together. Take notes on which group you’re on and get together.
2006.2.12 WSBT statements on accessibility to the fellowship
This is a big project to work on for next quarterly. Further changes to ratification process and WS manual-that is a little larger, we will leave this till next quarterly.
2006.2.32 Documenting historical traditional ways the WSOB addresses such things as staff pay.
We are waiting on the scanned document.
2006.8.19 Issues of AA tapes at a CA conference
The WSO is going to send a letter that I can just send to the convention committee where they can attach this to the guidelines. This can just be a referral and we do not need to do anything here. Leave it on to follow up. Based on it being a referral, we will still need to approve this referral? Yes. Leave this for online
2006.9.06 #4888 from Ann B.
This is regarding the Redbook so we will combine this with the previous one.
2006.9.07 #5487 from Bruce
Everyone please read this response on your break so we can take a look at approving it.
2006.10.08 Code of conduct for paid employees
We need to talk to the lawyers first. Why can we not run with what has crafted, because it says what we are trying to say? There are some other factors that I would like to talk about in subcommittee first. I think we need to talk to the WSOB and see what their policy is first.
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2006.11.01 Recovery center Little Rock
Yes we can work on this here.
2006.11.02 UK district issues
Yes we can work on this here.
2006.11.04 Manual guideline approval sign off
We may need to leave that on.
So we have 2006.10.09, 2006.09,06, 2006.09.07, 2006.11.01, 2006.11.02 to work on over the break.
What time should we come back, after dinner meet back here? Meet at 6:00pm for Dinner.
Okay let’s work on these as a group; come back at 3pm to work on these. We decided that Sweden is not in the European Union. So can we go back to 2006.2.20 so we need clarifications on who is protected? Could you check the list? I will send you what we have.
*** Break at 2pm* * *
Tony D.: Welcome back. We will jump back to
2006.10.09, Richard D Use of the manuscript in CA meetings.
Carl W.: I would like to make a motion that we approve the response, draft two, submitted by the subcommittee.
Earl H.: Second
November 8, 2006 Name: Richard D.
Subject: How it works
Message: Our CA group conscience has elected to use the original manuscript written by Bill W before the book was published. Is that a problem with 4th tradition?
Dear Richard,
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to our attention related to the propriety of a CA Group electing to use the original manuscript written by Bill W. before the Big Book was published.
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The issue of appropriate readings during or in conjunction with CA meetings or events continues to come up locally and even at district, area and regional levels. In our review and study of the matter, we are guided in part by our own World Service Manual, which sets forth on page 13 the following:
Cocaine Anonymous groups, meetings and service committees should only use, display, distribute or sell the following literature and materials: the WSC Approved Literature set forth in the Appendix, the books “ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS,” “TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS,” and “The A.A. Service Manual, combined with the 12 Concepts For World Service,” and Cocaine Anonymous World Service, Region, Area, District and group/ meeting approved flyers, meeting directories and other materials….
We are also guided by the steps, traditions and concepts as well as the writings in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. We have referenced the Fourth Tradition, which provides that “Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or CA as a whole.” The inquiry becomes therefore, whether the use and reading from the original manuscript is appropriate for the group, or whether such action(s) affect other groups, districts, areas or CA as a whole.
We are further guided by the long form of the Fourth Tradition which provides in part: “And no group, regional committee, or individual should ever take any action that might greatly affect [C.A.] as a whole without conferring with the Trustees…. On such issues our common welfare is paramount.” Also in the narrative text of the Fourth Tradition (page 147), the inquiry seems to turn to whether the action taken would “greatly” injure C.A. as a whole. In that same paragraph is the notion that the group’s sole objective has to be “Sobriety;” and “in all other respects there was perfect freedom of will and action. Every group had the right to be wrong.”
So we begin by asking referencing the language cited from our World Service Manual page 13, which sets forth specifically which items and writings “should” be used, displayed, distributed or sold by the groups. Clearly, the original manuscript is not on the Conference Approved list referenced in the Manual’s Appendix, nor has there been any advisory opinion to date authorizing its reference and use. The World Service Conference just recently voted to include the paragraph from page 13 with the word “should” include. That language as cited, therefore is the clear conscience of our entire fellowship regardless of whether we, as a board, or any member of the fellowship or group argues or decides whether the word “should” is suggestive as you’argue or directive as others might argue. The intent and spirit of including that paragraph was and is to set a base level of appropriate materials and readings for ALL groups of CA throughout our world.
Having said that though, the inquiry for our Board is whether the use by your group of this specific original manuscript affects other groups, districts, areas, or CA as a whole. Further, we must then ask whether that action might or did serve to “greatly” affect CA as a whole. This inquiry then relates to the first part of our First Tradition as to whether our common welfare is impacted.
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So the challenge with the original manuscript being used by your group is two-fold, first it is not CA Conference approved; and second, its use might be construed to imply affiliation between CA and the materials or even other related materials. We find that the use of this manuscript greatly affects CA as a whole and that our common welfare would be impacted by use of this material by your group or service committee. Having said that, we remain deeply concerned about the message of any group or service body at any level using non-conference approved materials.
If your group or service body desires to seek approval of this or any other literature, please have them bring the matter to the world service conference for action.
We thank you for bringing these issues forward. If you or any other member of the group desires further information or has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
In love and service,
The World Service Board of Trustees 11/21/06
Which draft is this? Draft two
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
2006.09.06 #4888 Ann B-Redbook
Carl W.: I would like to make a motion that we approve the response, draft three as the proposed response.
Bobbie H.: Second
2006.09.06 Referral #4888 Date: none From: Anne B.
Please see attachment circulated at the Arizona Area Convention regarding distribution of “red book” by H&I committee at H&I meetings. Attached is a flyer asking for a signature to support the acceptance of the red book by world services, they received 166 signatures.
Proposed response Dear Anne:
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to our attention related to the propriety of a CA H&I Committee reading and/or distributing the “Red Book” at CA meetings. We too thank you for the narrative setting forth the problem as it helps to clarify the depth and breadth of the concern.
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If you recall from last year, a similar referral was submitted by you to the LCF Conference Committee who referred it to our Board for consideration and response.
Here is that Referral and our Response formally issued in August 2006 as a part of our Conference Report.
Referral #4480 (referred from LCF to WSBT)
I would like to have the little red books accepted as approved literature. The red books are dramatically cheaper and would keep more money in our groups. Note from Anne B.: I believe the intent of this referral is for H&I to give little red books out at Hospitals & Institutions as brought in by our CA groups.
Response:
A couple of years ago this issue came before our Board and it was examined in some detail. We are not in favor of seeking approval from the Conference for The Little Red Book to be available at CA meetings because 1) it is not AA Conference approved, 2) it is a book published by a private for profit entity (the Hazelden Foundation) and our approval of it could imply affiliation; and 3) the book contains advertisements for for-profit entities.
We are aware that some local groups and H&I committees are using The Little Red Book, with or without removing some of the ads or portions of one of the appendices. While we understand that cost is an important factor, we would encourage members to be mindful of the following language in the World Service Manual:
Cocaine Anonymous groups, meetings and service committees should only use, display, distribute or sell the following literature and materials: the WSC Approved Literature set forth in the Appendix, the books “ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS,” “TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS,” and “The A.A. Service Manual, combined with the 12 Concepts For World Service,” and Cocaine Anonymous World Service, Region, Area, District and group/ meeting approved flyers, meeting directories and other materials displaying the CA logo as described above.
During the course of this past your our Board has had the chance to examine the issue of the propriety of non-Conference approved literature being used or distributed at CA meetings. From that examination, we again looked at the propriety of use of the Red Book.
The issue of appropriate readings during or in conjunction with CA meetings or events continues to come up locally and even at H&I, district, area and regional levels. In our review and study of the matter, we are guided in part by our own CA World Service Manual, which sets forth on page 13 the following:
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Cocaine Anonymous groups, meetings and service committees should only use, display, distribute or sell the following literature and materials: the WSC Approved Literature set forth in the Appendix, the books “ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS,” “TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS,” and “The A.A. Service Manual, combined with the 12 Concepts For World Service,” and Cocaine Anonymous World Service, Region, Area, District and group/ meeting approved flyers, meeting directories and other materials….
We are also guided by the steps, traditions and concepts as well as the writings in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. We have referenced the Fourth Tradition, which provides that “Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or CA as a whole.” The inquiry becomes therefore, whether the use, reading, or distribution of the “Red Book” is appropriate for the group, or whether such action(s) affect other groups, districts, areas or CA as a whole.
We are further guided by the long form of the Fourth Tradition which provides in part: “And no group, regional committee, or individual should ever take any action that might greatly affect [C.A.] as a whole without conferring with the Trustees…. On such issues our common welfare is paramount.” Also in the narrative text of the Fourth Tradition (page 147), the inquiry seems to turn to whether the action taken would “greatly” injure C.A. as a whole. In that same paragraph is the notion that the group’s sole objective has to be “Sobriety;” and “in all other respects there was perfect freedom of will and action. Every group had the right to be wrong.”
So we begin by asking referencing the language cited from our World Service Manual page 16 which sets forth specifically which items and writings “should” be used, displayed, distributed or sold by the groups. Clearly, the “Red Book” is not on the Conference Approved list referenced in the Manual’s Appendix, nor has there been any advisory opinion to date authorizing its reference and use. The World Service Conference recently voted to include the paragraph from page 13 that contains the word “should”. That language as cited, therefore is the clear conscience of our entire fellowship regardless of whether we, as a Board, or any member of the fellowship or group argues or decides whether the word “should” is suggestive as some argue or directive as others might argue. The intent and spirit of including that paragraph was and is to set a base level of appropriate materials and readings for all groups and service committees of CA throughout our CA world.
Having said that though, the inquiry for our board is whether the use by your Area or the H&I Committee of this specific book “Red Book” affects other groups, districts, areas, or CA as a whole. Further, we must then ask whether that action might or did serve to “greatly” affect CA as a whole. This inquiry then relates to the first part of our First Tradition as to whether our common welfare is impacted.
In using this framework, we find that the use of this book greatly affects ca as a whole and that our common welfare would be impacted by use of this book by your group or service committee. Having said that, we remain deeply concerned about the message of any group or service body at any level using non-conference approved materials.
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If your group or service body desires to seek approval of this or any other literature, please have them bring the matter to the world service conference for action.
We thank you for bringing this issue forward. We too thank all of the members of the fellowship who signed the petition re the use of the Red Book. If you or any other member of the local fellowship desires further information or has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
In love and service,
The World Service Board of Trustees Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
2006.09.07 #5487 Bruce W-Developing Contacts with other fellowships
Bobbie H.: I would like to make a motion to approve the response to referral #5487, draft one.
Carl W.: Second
Referral# 5487 Date: none From: Bruce Watson – (Bruce, Bobbie, Nick, Jay, Trevor)
Cocaine Anonymous should initiate and develop contacts with in Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous at the World Service Level, perhaps among boards of Trustees for the purpose of identifying areas of cooperation that serve the primary purposes of the fellowships.
Suggested Response:
Dear Bruce:
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to our attention related to the usefulness of initiating contact with other 12-step fellowships for the purpose of identifying areas of cooperation that serve the primary purposes of the fellowships.
We have in fact engaged in informal contacts over the years for the purpose of learning from our brothers and sisters in Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous about issues which those fellowships have addressed, and which we in C.A. are now facing. For example, several board members discussed the issue of “When Trust Is Lost”, concerning what steps are appropriate to take, including but not limited to prosecution, when a trusted servant in a position of responsibility regarding group or area funds engages in larceny. We expect to continue to use such opportunities to learn from those who have walked before us.
Having acknowledged that we take such opportunities as they may be of use to our Fellowship, we are nevertheless aware that we cannot take any action that could be construed as endorsing or lending the C.A. name to either of these fellowships, in contravention of Tradition Six.
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Your suggestion will be referred to the Long Term Planning Committee of the World Service Board of Trustees, so that committee may identify additional opportunities for such contact.
Thank you again for your thoughtful referral.
Sincerely,
WSBT
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
2006.11.01 Recovery center in little Rock
Lawrence M.: Motion to approve response.
Bobbie H.: Second
Dear Shirley:
The WSBT appreciates that you have brought these issues to our attention related to the relationship between a CA group and a club. We too appreciate the original and supplemental narratives setting forth the problem(s) as they help to clarify the depth and breadth of these concerns.
In response to similar questions from another area in our fellowship, we issued the following which we use as background to address your questions here:
The issue of appropriate relationship between CA clubs and CA groups continues to come up locally and even at district, area, and regional levels.
The specific questions asked of us are as follows:
- Can a CA group donate to an outside enterprise including a club where the CA group holds their meeting?
Here we are guided by the Long Form of Tradition Six, which on page 190 of the 12×12 provides in part:
Problems of money, property, and authority may easily divert us from our primary spiritual aim. We think therefore, that any considerable property of genuine use to AA should be separately incorporated and managed, thus dividing the material from the spiritual.. ..Secondary aids to AA, such as clubs or hospitals which require much administration, ought to be incorporated and so set apart that, if necessary, they can be freely discarded by the groups. Hence such facilities ought not to use the AA name. Their management should be the sole responsibility of those people who financially support them….While an AA group may cooperate with anyone, such cooperation ought never go so far as affiliation or endorsement, actual or implied. An AA group can bind itself to no one.
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As applied, a CA or recovery club is and should be completely separate from a CA group/meeting. A CA group can bind itself to no club or facility. So the board of a meeting hall cannot influence CA meetings held there. Our experience has shown that it is preferred that the club’s fundraisers are not announced at CA meetings; that CA meetings can and should announce CA related events. Ever being mindful that the meeting’s main purpose is spiritual with the club’s responsibility to be material as the above long form suggests.
- When C.A. members sit on the board who are they responsible to serve?
Again, there is to be a clear line between the meeting and the club and its board. CA can have no opinion on who sits on a board or what responsibilities they have as the same are issues outside our primary purpose. CA members serve CA groups and meetings.
We thank you for bringing these issues forward. If you or any other member of the group desires further information or has any questions related to these matters, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
In love and service,
The World Service Board of Trustees Date 11/23/06
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously
2006.11.02 UK district issues
Nicholas L.: Motion to approve the draft of the response
Trevor S,: Second
Dear Darren,
The WSBT appreciates you bringing this issue to our attention.
You ask three questions of us, we will address each in sequence.
Does the district have the right to a: stop a group being part of the district?
To respond to this question we begin with reference to the CA World Service Manual page 15 which provides as follows:
A meeting is when two or more people gather together to share their experience, strength and hope with each other.
A meeting may call itself a C.A. Group when:
- The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using cocaine and all other mind-altering substances.
- It is fully self-supporting.
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- Its primary purpose is to help addicts recover through the Twelve Steps of C.A.
- It has no outside affiliations.
- It has no opinion on outside issues.
- Its public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion.
The district does have such a right if any of the requirements are not met.
Can the district put a group on three months probation because they don’t like the way the group is run.
The district has no right to put a group on probation, either the group meets the requirements or it doesn’t
In relation to Tradition Four what would you constitute as affecting other groups or CA as a whole?
Please refer to the 12 in 12 for guidance as well as the AA Service Manual and Concepts of Service.
We thank you for bringing these issues forward. If you or any other member of the group desires further information or has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to contact us or have them contact us directly.
In love and service,
The World Service Board of Trustees Tony D,: Motion passes unanimously
***Breakfor group inventory***
Jay F.: Motion to adjourn quarterly at 4:30pm on Saturday afternoon.
Tony D.: Motion passes unanimously.
Meeting closed 4:30pm
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For all attached documents and reports see pdf: 2006-11-17-19-WSBT-Quarterly-Meeting-Minutes.pdf